David - (I think yr the guy looking into backlights-aren't u?) - yr doing a great service
to the Newton Community - and for that I thank you.
AND: yr entitled to yr opinion.
BUT: so am I.
If you want to take the 'Moral High Ground' - surely attempting to impose (as opposed to
discuss) your views on anyone - let alone an entire community - is straight-out wrong?
The world is _not_ - contrary to general opinion - Black and White: there ain't no sharp
delineating lines here.
-eg by the terms of the licensing agreement, I'd have to *purchase* (or otherwise obtain)
2 copies of NCU to run it on both my DTop/Laptop. In practice, given Apples' abandonment
(email me personally for a religious war on _this_ topic...) of the platform, its just
unobtainable - by the terms of the licence.
eg(2) - Farallon <sp?>'s still in business - but have stopped making the Enet cards that
suit the 2.1 OS Newts. Many people here are using other brands with a Hacked (or drivers
derived from hacks) version of Farallon's driver. According to your statements - this is
wrong.
Hmm - I would have agreed with you on this point whilst F'n were still making the
595-series cards. Once they stopped - the situation changed. So has my viewpoint.
I'm a developer myself. I _hate_ people ripping software. But if I make something
available, then move on, without any avenue for said persons to contact me/obtain such -
after establishing a market - then its my fault (NOT implying Farallon did here - I'm
talking general case). I should expect - and via my silence/disinterest, condone said
actions.
Other points below: but in summary - My opinion - what is 'right' today, may by necessity
need to be reviewed tomorrow. Hacking isn't always _BAD_ - sometimes is just a necessity.
Making 'absolute' statements (particularly phrased as fact) *is* wrong - and yes, I'm
aware of what I've just done :-)
Anyone wants to flame me on this - and yup, am more than keen to continue the discussion,
David - please contact me off-list via HackRant@xpress.net.nz (I own the domain, so yes,
this _is_ a valid address). Will copy anyone thats interested if thats what they wish
also.
Thanks for the bandwidth
-D
----- Original Message -----
From: "Humphreys, David" <david.humphreys@honeywell.com>
To: <newtontalk@planetnewton.com>
Sent: Saturday, 11 March 2000 08:49
Subject: RE: NTLK Lookout 1.1
> <rant mode on>
<snip>
> I sympathize with you and your position. Wants and needs, however, do not
> give a person the right to steal, which, whether you want to admit it or
> not, is what you are doing.
<snip>
> Sorry if you feel alienated but HACKING IS WRONG...PERIOD.
<snip>
> I will totally and vehemently oppose software hacking in ALL forms, even if
> on the surface it appears to be for the common good. The slope is slippery
> and not easy to get off once you are on it.
Good. You are entitled to do anything you want. Even Vehemently. But please remember that
you speak only for yourself. Not *all* the rest of us.
> We must all see that the dividing line is sharp and doesn't get blurred.
<snip>
Why? This is _your_ opinion - surely it isn't 'cast in stone' somewhere? I don't recall
agreeing to this....? See above for 'shades of grey'.
> "Hacks are more wrong...??" How can they be more wrong? They are, by
> definition, a wrongful act to start with!
Hmm - like to see that definition. Do what u want legally - if you are entitled to take an
'ethical' or 'moral' standpoint, so am I. Show me the 'moral proof' for this statement.
Otherwise Hacks are not necessarily "wrong" - just illegal - and _that_ depends on (at the
least) where in the world you live...
> Out of business does not mean "here take this software and steal it"!
Agreed. However, supplier/consumer responsibilities are a 2-way street.
> I suggest that you closely examine your ethical boundaries.
> It is, of course, your decision to use pirated software. You are not,
> however,
> justified in doing so.
It is your decision to reply to Kenneth and the list in this manner. Are you justified in
doing so?
> Let you conscience be your guide :-)
Exactly.
> David Humphreys
> PCB Designer
> Purchaser of ALL my software
> http:/david.humphreys@honeywell.com
Oh - and you might wanna do something about the sig line - it just don't add up :-)
Flame suit donned and ready
Darl Singh
Director
System Operations
Purchaser of all my software - that I COULD purchase
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