Re: NTLK eMate keeps hanging on deletint Minimizer

From: Kenny Song (kensong@pc.jaring.my)
Date: Sun Feb 27 2000 - 03:36:03 EST


On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:21:49 +0100 Rolf Meijer wrote:

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>Hello,
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>I installed Minimizer (small application by Avi Drissman) but came to the conclusion that it's not what I was looking for. When I tried to delete it my eMate hanged, so I did a soft reset. Than at startup the eMate hang again. So I resetted it again without activating packages. Minimizer was still there, but when I wanted to delete it I got a -10011 error. I tried to reinstall it, same error. I tried to look at it in overview and it wasn't there although there was an empty line for it, in normal view the icon appeared again. It seems the package is kind of deleted but not competely. The trouble is that my machine keeps hanging at startup, which is very annoying. Anyone out there who knows what to do.
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>Thanks
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This can sometimes happen when you try to delete a frozen package. It is always safer to thaw the pkg. before deleting. Deleting an active pkg will allow the Newton to properly deactivate the pkg before delete. Am I right, Newton gurus?

This came through personal experience. Only some pkgs caused this. The safest method would be to restart the Newton without loading any pkgs, then delete the disabled pkg. Must confess I seldom do this unless I highly suspect the integrity of the pkg to properly delete, eg. earlier versions of alt.rec... No offence, Paul, you did warn us.

The way out would be to do as Paul suggested in a earlier mail (Paul, I have your answer in my own collection of FAQs).;-P
 To fix it, procede as following:
(i) save your current backup (put it away so that NCU
     cannot find it), just in case.
(ii) restart your Newton without packages and do a full
     backup. (or just the packages if you want)
(iii) restore packages omitting the corrupted entries in the
     package soup (in your case alt.rec....)
(iv) say yes for the restart.

The technical explaination:
Standard packages in the package soup are represented by 2 or 3 entries:
(a) the package binary itself (i.e. what you have in the file
     on your desktop folder)
(b) the extras' icon
(c) the extras' frozen icon if the package is frozen

The phenomenon you got usually happen when not all entries were removed.

Hope this help.

Kenny Song
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