[NTLK] Newton 2000 Serial Connection NCX/Keyspan to Apple iMac G4

Sun Nov 27 17:15:49 EST 2011

I'm clicking on Newton Connection at the top and nothing happens. There is no menu bar. From left to right: X (close), - (minimize), a circle with nothing in the center, and then "Newton Connection". When I start NCX up I start with my NCX folder. I double click on NCX.dmg. This opens to show: 
Backup Inspector
NCX
Newton Packages
Readme 
I double click on NCX

WAIT A MINUTE...

WOW, okay, you are not going to believe this! I wasn't looking above the NCX window for the top menu bar! Now I see it!!! The communications type was set to modem. I changed it to KeySerial1 and now it works!!! As you can see I don't know Mac but I will learn! 
You know, maybe it's an age thing? Okay, I guess it's just that I'm more used to pc's :-). 
Thanks so much for your help and also Forrest for his help. 
All the best,
Gary

P.S. Hopefully me making a fool out of myself will help someone else new to Mac.

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 From: Tony Morrow <gizmo1482 at gmail.com>
To: Gary Moors <garyjm2 at verizon.net>; newtontalk at newtontalk.net 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [NTLK] Newton 2000 Serial Connection NCX/Keyspan to Apple iMac G4

Hi Gary, 
When you have NCX open click on the application's name in the menu bar at the top of the screen. There should be a menu option for preferences there. 
For most Mac applications that is how you get to preferences. It is one of those Mac specific things you learn, but forget to realize newer people to the platform dont't know. 
On Nov 26, 2011 10:54 PM, "Gary Moors" <garyjm2 at verizon.net> wrote:

It must be me but I just can't find the NCX preference settings. I tried everything else you suggested and no go. Where in the world are these settings :-). Maybe we are running different versions of NCX? There are no drop downs on my screen. All of the icons are grayed out because the connnect has not been established. I'm sure if you were here (or Simon Bell) you/he would see the problem immediately :-). I know, its just one small detail that is preventing me from getting this working. I'm so close and yet so far :-). When I get this working I will buy everybody a beer!
> 
>Thanks again,
>Gary
> 
>P.S. Keyspan Serial Assistant shows the following:
> 
>KeySerial1
>USA19H1b12P1.1
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>When I click on the Serial Ports arrow on the top menu bar I can change the ordering of these but neither order causes this to work.
> 
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> From: Forrest Buffenmyer <newtonphoenix at mindspring.com>
>To: Gary Moors <garyjm2 at verizon.net>
>Cc: NewtonTalk <newtontalk at newtontalk.net>
>Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 7:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [NTLK] Newton 2000 Serial Connection NCX/Keyspan to Apple iMac G4
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>(Gary--my reply is also going to the List so that others might be included, and perhaps assist or benefit from our discussion.)
>
>In NCX's Preferences drop down, the serial connections that the program "sees" are listed. You would of course choose the Keyspan adapter (USA28X191, for example).
>
>There are several speeds listed when you choose the Dock on the Newton, and then tap "Connect via"...some are here by default, others are added as you add packages or hardware. On my MP2100, these are:
>Serial
>Modem
>Ethernet
>IrDA
>  Serial--2400
>Serial--4800
>Serial--9600
>Serial 115200
>TCP/IP
>
>Tony Kan has an excellent guide on getting started with NCX, found here... http://myapplenewton.blogspot.com/2010/09/connecting-mac-to-newton-using-ncx.html
>
>You should be able to connect either by Serial alone, or Serial 115200, either of which worked for me. Eventually you should probably consider downloading the 115200 package, either on the Newton, or on the Mac--once you're able to connect the two successfully.
>
>Please keep us informed as to your progress.
>
>Thanks,
>--Forrest
>
>Sent from my First Generation iPad
>
>On Nov 26, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Gary Moors <garyjm2 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>Thanks for your response Forrest. I didn't see different bps packages to install, just installed the one for OS X (supports up to 10.5). Is there a connection speed setting in NCX? I do have the 17" flat panel like you but I think the CPU is faster (I'll check). I am choosing the basic serial connection on the Newton, not one of the drop downs. I read that there is a NCX users manual somewhere but I have not been able to locate it.  This has to be something really simple :-).
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>>________________________________
>> From: Forrest Buffenmyer <newtonphoenix at mindspring.com>
>>To: "newtontalk at newtontalk.net" <newtontalk at newtontalk.net>; Gary Moors <garyjm2 at verizon.net>
>>Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:18 AM
>>Subject: Re: [NTLK] Newton 2000 Serial Connection NCX/Keyspan to Apple iMac G4
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>>Do you have the 115,200 bps package installed? You'd need to match that in the Serial drop-down box.
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>>I've forgotten what the default connect speed is (9600?)...I use a Keyspan adapter with my MP2100 to connect to my iMac G4, which is one if the original ones (17" flat panel, 867MHz). When I connect, I only need to choose the basic Serial connection.
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>>(By the way, I'm not sure which iMac you have...but if it's like mine, did you know that there's a way to "trick" OSX into allowing you to install 10.5 (Leopard)? I did that with mine, it was pretty easy to install it.)
>>
>>Thanks,
>>--Forrest
>>
>>Sent from my First Generation iPad
>>
>>On Nov 25, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Gary Moors <garyjm2 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings -
>>> 
>>> I'm new to the Newton and Apple iMac so bear with me. I have had a collection of Newtons for quite a
> while (acquired off Ebay and one of my passions from the past) and decided to finally get one connected to my iMac G4 (OS X 10.4.11). I have Windows 7 pc's also but heard it was much easier and better Newton support with the Apple Mac :-). Basically I just can't connect to the Newton 2000. I get a "The connection was stopped because there was no response" message from the Dock. I am using the Dock "Connect via Serial". I have tried two Newton 2000's, two serial cables, and two Newton Serial Adapters. I have also tried two USB ports on my Mac. Here are some additional details:
>>> 
>>> Tripp Lite Keyspan USA-19H
>>> Installed OS X driver (up to 10.5) USA-19HS MAC (keyspanUSdrvr.pkg).
>>> Keyspan Serial Assistant shows:
>>>     KeySerial1
>>>     USA19H1b12P1.1
>>> 
>>> Apple Mac shows USB Bus - Keyspan USA-19H
>>> 
>>> NCX Newton Connection ver 1.3, build 44
>>> 
>>> Can anyone help me out with this?  I'm getting really frustrated spinning my wheels :-).
>>> 
>>> Thanks!!!
>>> 
>>> Gary
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