Yes, Both are Landware programs. Search the archives and you will find instructions on how to order. Andy Hill did it not so long ago. AFAIR they sell for $9.95 each. Cheers Tony Kan Christchurch New Zealand [snip] Subject: [NTLK] Newtpaint and XPort I'm assuming both of these are still commercial? I notice a lot of people seem to have these programs... [snip]