Re: [NTLK] [OT] Please Help...My G3 just died

From: Ed Kummel (tech_ed_at_yahoo.com)
Date: Sun May 26 2002 - 01:47:04 EDT


Good information there...We at least know that the
machine is actually seeing the hardware...It's just
not seeing the OS. Now, I haven't messed with a Mac in
ages, so I may be off base here...but I seem to
remember that the system folder on Macs needing to be
"blessed". Does this still need to be on newer Mac
OS's? If so, you may have found that your drive no
longer is showing your system folder as THE system
folder. I believe that if you boot with the CDROM, you
may be able to fix that...(I don't rightly know how,
but you may be able to figure it out)
And! If you are replacing your existing HD with a new
one, you will have to boot with the CD anyway to
install the OS on it as well!
When you say you have your drive set to Cable
Select...is this correct (other Mac owners chime in
here) Cable Select is an archaic setting and most
computers do not use that setting any more, it is only
there for backwards compatibility to maintain the IDE
standards...I don't know if Apple is doing or not.
Here is how I would configure the system.
Bus-0: Master = original HD
Bus=0: Slave = CD Burner
Bus-1: Master = Second HD
Bus-1: Slave = Iomega Zip drive.
The reason for this is, I figure you are adding the
second drive becuase it is newer and bigger and will
eventually replace the original. You don't want to put
the CD and HD that you are transferring between on the
same bus. The reason for this is that the IDE bus can
only handle a single datapath (thus the advantage of
SCSI) This means that if you have your OS on the drive
that you are using for tansferring data to and from
your CD on, then something has to wait when a call is
made to the OS, usually it's the CD-R, hence; coaster!
Once you get your second drive setup the way you want,
you can just swap it out for the original one
(although, HD space is like money, you can never have
too much. I don't own a single machine with under
100GB storage on it) Heck, on the machine I am using
now, I have 12 seperate hard drives on it! But because
it's RAID and I'm running NT2000, it only looks like
two drives! Drive C: and drive F: (I do have a small
drive D:, but that's only 2gb for system tools)
Well, I hope something I said here helps, but since
I'm no longer activly involved with Macs, my knowledge
on the system is dated...
Ed
web/gadget guru

Ed
web/gadget guru

--- W Izzy <izzy_at_phreaker.net> wrote:
>
> As Mr. johnsinho's! said, I removed both IDE cables
> (no SCSI external or
> internal) and powered it up again. The chime
> sounded and the light lighted.
> and the floppy icon with a blinking '?' appeared.
> But i donīt own a mac
> start up disk so, nothing to do with that. I
> unplugged the power again and
> the yesterday symptoms repated: chime and light and
> fan but blank
> screen(black, the monitor acts like itīs been
> unplugged from the compu).
>
> Gonna try starting fom the CD to see what happens.
> And Iīve already
> removedthe network and USB cards but all the same
>
> Sometimes when I plug the HDD again to some IDE
> channel, a white (or very
> light gray) screen with an '_' appears. and no more.
> It always chimes and
> everything.
>
> I have a Western Digital 20 Gigs HD configured to be
> cable select, a Sony
> Master burner and a slave Iomega Zip 100 in the same
> cable. Them cables
> seem fine, or at least as fine as most PC trashed
> cables I own.
>
> I appreciate the wide response of you people in the
> list. This is my first
> Mac and I am very happy with it. All this happened
> since yesterday when
> erased another HDD to install MacOS X.
>
> Thank you very much
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Kummel" <tech_ed_at_yahoo.com>
> To: <newtontalk_at_newtontalk.net>
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 1:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [NTLK] [OT] Please Help...My G3 just
> died
>
>
> >
> > I think you need to give us a bit more information
> > than just "it didn't work".
> > What didn't work? When you hit the power button,
> does
> > anything happen? Lights light, fans spin, startup
> > chime bongs? How about the start up POST? (that's
> > short hand for Power On Self Test) I seem to
> remember
> > on the older Macs, the rounding of the corners
> > indicates the level of the POST the machine
> reaches
> > before a hardware failure hits. (ever wonder why
> the
> > Mac screen had rounded corners?)
> > Please give as much detail about your startup as
> you
> > can, including drive type (SCSI/IDE) Drive
> > configuration (bus-1 = one drive, bus-2 = CD rom
> > drive, or whatever) Hard drive brand...and whether
> > they are setup for
> > Master/Slave/Cable-select...Additionally, how much
> RAM
> > you have and what other slotted cards you have
> > installed.
> > With these pieces of the puzzle we can make better
> > guesses at what the problem could be...
> > Ed
> > web/gadget (used to be a Mac Admin) Guru
> >
> > --- W Izzy <izzy_at_phreaker.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Greeteings.
> > >
> > > I am sorry about posting this but the local mac
> guru
> > > isnīt available.
> > > Earlier today I unplugged the HD from my beige
> G3
> > > tower and plugged a new
> > > one and didnīt work. So I plugged the original
> and
> > > nothig happened.
> > > Sometimes when I unplug all the ATA cables the
> > > monitor shows a gray screen
> > > (nothing more) and then shows nothing (black)
> > >
> > > maybe some of you know what to do
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance

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